Comments on: Savage Unrealities- Paul Gorski http://jonschoening.edublogs.org/2008/03/15/savage-unrealities/ Educational Insights and Explorations Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:16:25 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: ctyson1 http://jonschoening.edublogs.org/2008/03/15/savage-unrealities/comment-page-1/#comment-15 ctyson1 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:06:05 +0000 http://jonschoening.edublogs.org/2008/03/15/savage-unrealities/#comment-15 I agree with you, Jon, that sometimes people find themselves living in poverty because of circumstances that are out of their control. I agree with Molly that we shouldn't overgeneralize about poverty. I've known people who have been extremely wealthy one year, then extremely "broke" the next year because of the economy or poor choices. My brother was a golf course architect who designed and built golf courses around the world, but his business depended on a healthy economy, and he had many serious ups and downs financially. Life can throw us curves -- unexpected curves -- that that can leave us in unexpected places. Speaking of unexpected places, I don't think any of us realized that this EdS program would lead us in the direction we've gone. What a thought-provoking experience this has been! I agree with you, Jon, that sometimes people find themselves living in poverty because of circumstances that are out of their control. I agree with Molly that we shouldn’t overgeneralize about poverty. I’ve known people who have been extremely wealthy one year, then extremely “broke” the next year because of the economy or poor choices. My brother was a golf course architect who designed and built golf courses around the world, but his business depended on a healthy economy, and he had many serious ups and downs financially. Life can throw us curves — unexpected curves — that that can leave us in unexpected places.

Speaking of unexpected places, I don’t think any of us realized that this EdS program would lead us in the direction we’ve gone. What a thought-provoking experience this has been!

]]> By: mhammer http://jonschoening.edublogs.org/2008/03/15/savage-unrealities/comment-page-1/#comment-14 mhammer Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:56:51 +0000 http://jonschoening.edublogs.org/2008/03/15/savage-unrealities/#comment-14 Hey Jon, I so agree with the points you made. Thank you for understanding the point I was trying to make - I think you might have been the only one who got it. In fact, I am not a big Ruby Payne supporter; however, that does not negate the fact that I did learn a little something from her workshop...maybe not what she intended me to learn, but... I agree we have to be careful not to overgeneralize either way: that people who live in poverty need to be "fixed" and/or that the problem of poverty is only because of social issues within society that need to be fixed. In fact, that is one problems I had with one of the articles written by Gorski. Although I agree that as a society we need to make things more equitable for people living in poverty, we also need to make individuals accountable for their choices, as you mentioned. I know of some families who are on the verge of eviction, using food stamps to feed their children, yet they have a play station, a game cube, and/or a WII and are out buying games every other week. That is very disturbing to me. I also know of several families who had it all and because of a few poor choices lost everything. My whole point was that as educators we need to always think for ourselves and evaluate the information we receive...not just jump on every bandwagon because someone tells us to. I always love hearing your thoughts...thanks! Hey Jon,
I so agree with the points you made. Thank you for understanding the point I was trying to make – I think you might have been the only one who got it. In fact, I am not a big Ruby Payne supporter; however, that does not negate the fact that I did learn a little something from her workshop…maybe not what she intended me to learn, but… I agree we have to be careful not to overgeneralize either way: that people who live in poverty need to be “fixed” and/or that the problem of poverty is only because of social issues within society that need to be fixed. In fact, that is one problems I had with one of the articles written by Gorski. Although I agree that as a society we need to make things more equitable for people living in poverty, we also need to make individuals accountable for their choices, as you mentioned. I know of some families who are on the verge of eviction, using food stamps to feed their children, yet they have a play station, a game cube, and/or a WII and are out buying games every other week. That is very disturbing to me. I also know of several families who had it all and because of a few poor choices lost everything. My whole point was that as educators we need to always think for ourselves and evaluate the information we receive…not just jump on every bandwagon because someone tells us to. I always love hearing your thoughts…thanks!

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